{May 2, 2010}   degrowth, day 3

Saturday’s presetnations were much better. :) The first one was actually done over videoconference, which worked surprisingly well. There was talk about the unsustainability of what we’re doing to the planet right now, and how this growth that we take for granted is actually quite a recent phenomenon in human history. Peter Victor has been running simulations of various economic models, and again there seemed to be a relationship between lowering emissions and working less :) (and lowering unemployment and poverty somewhat, too).

We had more videos, both about sustainability and about how movements grow – I need to find one of them annd post it but I don’t have time right now. We had a talk on happiness, and more history lessons.

Yeah, I really don’t have time for a proper blog post. suffice it to say that there were several good talks, a panel discussion, and then more great circle discussions. alternative currencies, transition towns, how to change things…

There was a party in the evening too… most people were still talking or had gone to bed, but someone showed up with hoola hoops and we had fun dancing :) and whizzing around on carts after we’d packed up the chairs and things (we’ll be in a different building today).

anonymous says:


don’t know if i read it right, but you seem to take your foss involvement quite political and in a general social perspective. that is nice. a personal proposal from me would be that you really should read marx’ capital. (you can even do so online) although it is often goofed on in public media, every serious sociologists or philosopher still has read it today. but take it serious otherwise it is useless.

hope it helps you!

mat69 says:

That really sounds interesting do you by chance have these videos now? :)

I especially like the note on how our economic system is rather new. Often that is put aside and what we do is portrayed as “natural” while it rather is unusual.

In that regard it is quite interesting to look at different concepts like the fair price in medieval times that enabled — in theory — anyone to be able to live while keeping their wealth constant.

Also interesting is to keep in mind that money does actually not work. And collecting interest on money was long time forbidden and is still forbidden for muslims –> yeah that was exploited via lease and the like.

Chani says:

:) I’ll post the videos next week or so; I needed a little vacation after the conference ended.

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